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Nietzsche on Islam

from The Antichrist translated by: H. L. Mencken

 

If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men….

60.

Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!… The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won…. The German noble, always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church—but well paid…. Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious…. Christianity, alcohol—the two great means of corruption…. Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not…. “War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!”: this was the feeling, this was the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently? I can’t make out how a German could ever feel Christian….

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  1. admin says

    Of course.

  2. Chris SNUGGS says

    Nietsche – a true idiot then …..

    No comment on the brutality, the rapes, massacres, beheadings, the contemptuous treatment of women, the paedophilia, the hatred of other faiths …

    He should have got out and about a bit more.

  3. admin says

    It is rich that someone from a Western background could accuse Muslims of barbarities, when the West is responsible for the slaughter of the native peoples of America, the murder of Jews, Gypsies and others in the Second World War along with 50 million others, the murder of the millions in Soviet Russia under Communism, the barbarities of the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War, the First World War, the Inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition, the routine burning alive of women as witches across Europe, and the Crusades – the Crusaders cannibalised the inhabitants of Ma’arra in 1098 as well as arbitrarily slaughtering Jews across Europe before departing and then massacring Jews, Christians and Muslims, men, women and children in Jerusalem when they finally took it.

    That European women only got the right to own property and vote within historical memory and are still second-class citizens in the reality of modern life, that they are routinely beaten and murdered when marriages go wrong, that they still earn less than men right across the Western world even when doing equivalent work…

    That modern humanists have inherited Christianity’s historical denial of the truths of any other religion and arrogation to itself of the unique position of the truth and salvation…

    That you could accuse Muslims of paedophilia when the entire ranks of the Church and the political and entertainment establishment, particularly in the UK, have been exposed for rampant paedophilia…

    Really your hypocrisy is breathtaking.

  4. Jay says

    Nietzsche was a genius in many, many ways. On Islam, however, he lost the plot. The “Christianity” that he was at war with, was of course not the Christianity of the early apostles (as he himself has admitted), but rather the much more decadent kind that emerged long after the original, which demanded the slaughter of the human (“sinful”) spirit. Even though he despised St. Paul, he had much more in common with him than most people realize.

    Nietzsche simply did not really know about islamic culture. If he had known of the endemic child abuse and pedophilia that is basically enshrined (albeit passively) in many muslim cultures, he of course would of thought of them very differently. In “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”, he had basically succumbed to admiring a barbaric culture that ultimately would ensure that no one like Nietzsche would ever come to exist again. Let us not forget that Nietzsche himself was the product of Christianity (he came from a long line of preachers), and like Nietzsche said, Genius rarely has the gift of understanding itself.

    Nietzsche respected the Persian spirit that was relentless in it’s refusal to be conquered, but on this point, the baby truly went out with the bathwater.

  5. admin says

    As to a ‘culture that would ensure that no one like Nietzsche would ever again exist’, it is rich to make that accusation when Nietzsche stood on the shoulders of a philosophical tradition transmitted to the West not by the Church but by the Muslims. The Church had sought to extinguish philosophy while nevertheless availing of the fertile Muslim theological sciences. The Muslims had managed to keep alive both philosophical and theological enquiry and then to overpass both with the astonishing oeuvre of Shaykh al-Akbar ibn ‘Arabi. For the overpassing of metaphysics, we in the West would have to wait for Martin Heidegger.

    Without Islam we would never have had a Nietzsche.

    Again, it is rich that someone from a Western background would accuse Muslims of paedophilia given the appalling extent to which the child-abuse of church, the political class, entertainers and society in general has been exposed.

  6. Amine says

    The truth will always prevail. History of Islam is clean and shines in our days, Islam is here to save mankind and free them from the tyranny of the church, the bankers etc … Nietzsche knew that and that’s why he had a great respect for the islamic faith.

  7. Amine says

    After his death, Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche became the curator and editor of her brother’s manuscripts, reworking Nietzsche’s unpublished writings to fit her own German nationalist ideology while often contradicting or obfuscating his stated opinions, which were explicitly opposed to antisemitism and nationalism. Through her published editions, Nietzsche’s work became associated with fascism and Nazism;[13] 20th-century scholars contested this interpretation of his work and corrected editions of his writings were soon made available. His thought enjoyed renewed popularity in the 1960s, and his ideas have since had a profound impact on twentieth and early-twenty-first century thinkers across philosophy—especially in schools of continental philosophy such as existentialism, postmodernism, and post-structuralism—as well as art, literature, psychology, politics, and popular culture.

  8. admin says

    The particular work that Elizabeth had control over was his unfinished and unpublished work on philosophy – most of his works had been of a polemical nature – The Will to Power.

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